hellava first post.......welcome........I've lurked around for a bit, seen some of these debates and chuckled... but I feel like this one is unique in a specific way that's interesting to me.
There's a lot of anger floating around here about several reasons... too many beige women on a "black" forum. Anger about too many speeches in threads whose point is only to look at urban sex icons. Anger about too little appreciation for what it means to be black in modern America, and the direction mainstream black culture has taken. I don't claim to be able to solve any of those problems. But I feel it's better to ask the right question than to claim to have the right answer... so here are some questions.
Is your or my perspective one that can be imposed on the rest of the world? On the rest of our race? On the rest of your block? Is it possible that we're generalizing too much? "Never, Always, Everywhere, and Nowhere" sound great in an argument, but there's no number of anecdotes that you can add together to make a fact.
It may just be my own observation, but I haven't experienced males of any other ethnic group that refer to women as "bitch" so much as black men. I think that word is way more confusing and problematic in mainstream black culture than any variation of "******." There's no doubt that it is an insulting word... a degrading word. So I have to ask, is there something about being a black man that produces anger towards women, especially black women? Is it merely a product of internalizing the dialogue of a misogynistic hip hop culture? Or, since anger is a secondary emotion, have many black men been hurt or disappointed by women, whether in their communities or elsewhere?
That brings me to hip hop culture in general, and the women who are "glorified" in it. In my opinion I don't think it's an insult to black women that many hispanic/white women are posted on "black" forums. I think it should be a relief to them. The only "glory" given out here is completely superficial- I don't think it should be a matter of pride or honor or esteem for a black woman to be posted here. Sure it's flattering I guess, but black woman have much more to offer than the shape of their bodies. I doubt there are many who lose sleep over not being posted on HHS or world star or ______.com.
If you must, objectify women of EVERY other race, but I personally have higher hopes for the image of the black woman than being a sex symbol for black men. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone here is -really- trying to marry a stripper, or the chick dancing in a rap video. This isn't "my perfect wife forum." I think men just like having a place to look at and compare women they find sexy without needing to be socially appropriate.
Should the women black men find attractive be mainly black? I don't know. Probably. But if the goal is to make that happen, what's the point? How does that help gender relations in the black community? Would finding more black women attractive bring black men closer to respecting and appreciating them?